But since the LW was asking about why a person might be upset about an unexpected visit I wanted to throw in the fact that there are many reasons a host might not want a drop-in visit, not just the need to shame clean, which I think is well represented by many of the comments above me. Firstly, if he laughs and giggles about these situations, that means that he is interested in talking to you and enjoys your time. We dont have enough information to know whether this was appropriate in the context of the relationship. (As long as no one decides they get to see the inside of my condo, were cool. WITHOUT offering up an alternative or making a visible effort to make something happen. understanding whether the feeling counts in reality or doesnt exist Kind of like enthusiastic consent enthusiastic social engagement invitations are not the same as passive or silent asset to host/ failure to resist a self-invitation. I get where youre coming from, and there are some benefits to brutal honesty, but not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends. If the person enthusiastically responds, like, THANK YOU, I WAS HOPING SOMEONE WOULD SAY THAT, COME BY AT 11? then you are invited. SERIOUSLY this is a big one for me. So anyone else asking for hugs is probably gonna be met with side eye. Its 9:30am on a Saturday. Tell him that you are tipsy and that you dont feel comfortable driving home in this state. Back in high school when I lived in that neighborhood, people would more often than not wait in their cars unless they wanted to stop in and chat before we went wherever we were going). I personally would lean toward expecting people at least 5-10 minutes early or late and talk to them if they go beyond that and its a problem. Hey, these new gaslights I bought, arent they great?. I suppose that depends on how long youd been with each other and how comfortable you were if it was a very new relationship I would be kind of focused on presenting my best self and maybe thrown by a date who showed up while I was still getting ready. I have a very polite no soliciting sign on the gate. And will happily cook a meal for unexpected guests because she enjoys doing it. Use direct language, such as, "How about homemade lasagna and the new James Bond movie at your place Friday night?" Expecting brutal honesty from others merely because one isnt socially adept is expecting too much. I can definitely understand confirming in that case! Because while there are people (very extremely few people) I can happily hang out with regularly for 9 hours, they are not them. Be specific as to drawing out how late its okay to phone, how much notice she needs for an invitation for a meal, how much notice she needs if youre to drop by when youre in the neighborhood. Why view it as a personal offence? Its like having a conversation vs reading my mind. What I think is important is that sometimes it is okay to invite yourself to a get together, and knowing that may let you have a better social life. I really really hate it when people use cultural differences as a convenient excuse to behave badly.It makes me feel like it's my fault for not knowing how things are supposedly done in this country. My parents chewed me out in the car when they came to get me for inviting myself over to someones home (which I was already in and had been asked if I wanted to stay). I have a Facebook account with a lot of people friended but rarely log in, so I miss things from time to time because people assume that, if youre on their friends list, you will see their posts. You were learning. Inviting yourself over to people's places is frowned upon, at least in many Western cultures. And I would probably stop initiating other kinds of hangouts (or at least do so less frequently) to see whether the friend really wanted us to keep being friends or if they were trying to naturally drift apart. I dont care how close we are. Let it drop now, and eventually you may become good friends with this person and have the pleasure of building their KALLAX. And my husband, who works from home and had not planned to eat lunch with us because he is working, has to let you in and entertain you. My main issue is that everyone is so casual that nobody really helps with dishes/cooking/food shopping/cleaning/chopping wood/preparing bait and so partner and I end up running around from dawn till dusk, taking care of a bunch of drunk guys relaxing on our lawn and trying to make small talk with strangers. If you really think you're a faster swimmer than me, you'll have to prove it. Im not saying this is rational, but tell that to teenage me, who was so quiet that people did actually forget about her! One of my flats about ten years ago, when we had our housewarming party a guy turned up about three hours before the usual start time about 6 I think, and even at 9 you wouldnt expect many people to have arrived yet. The reason is that I didnt invite you. I have not seen most of those people since many of them failed out after a semester, and I have not seen the remainder since I changed majors and no longer had to see Britney and her friends all the time, and I am so happy about it. I can see the conflict between desires, but it seems like it might be easier or at least less violating for people who want unexpected visitors to encourage them to drop by whenever than for people who dislike it to tell people to go away. You could also go to a bar closer to his house and act a little tipsy and call him up saying you are a bit tipsy and dont feel too comfortable driving home in this situation and you can sober up at his house for a little while then go home later. It means you go knowing that you guys will hook up whether or not you guys are "talking". An unannounced home-visit, however, doesnt have a built-in time limit, and this might be part of the reason she is not open to them. I have recently realized that these vague but powerful negative feelings I always had are called anxiety, and for me they always centered around dealing with other people. Also, I dont really agree that there was a certain time when these things were normal and now its all changed.. I actually thought about the nude Brazilian implications but I couldnt figure out a way to phrase it that didnt include them. Only me. I think Laura Ingalls Wilder imprinted that on me. I am not even going to touch the remark about cleaning. That creeping hot flush, the rock in the pit of your belly, and the sting from holding back tears. Housemate observed that I probably wouldnt come if I wasnt sent an invitation. They may have to deal with a tag along dragging down their group. Come for dinner tonight at 8:00 is an invitation, Come by later is Hey, glad to see you, we should catch up at length soon. I havent spent time in Brazil, so I dont know if thats a Brazilian thing or a dudes-who-grew-up-with-M-specifically-where-he-grew-up thing but it is a real thing, and M. has had to rethink and clarify it for American friends now that he lives here. if i dont get invited to something, i for one will find a reason why. I used to live in a basement apartment. Get out of your car dont surprise anyone in their sanctuary If its someone I havent seen in a while who is finally back in town and a surprise its both good and bad. What are you doing at the weekend? Instead of stating their full request, e.g. ", (Hearing some people may meet a club this weekend) "Oh okay. 1. And this has been proven time and time again. (Also with some of my college friends 98% of the time if they were talking about an event in front of me I was invited, but they didnt realize that invitations were things that happened? I agree I dont want someone showing up at my house unexpectedly without calling ahead. Britney: No, WERE (gestures back and forth between me and her) going out. I really appreciate that she brought it up later on (she was super nervous about doing so, but stuck to her guns) and told me politely that she really wasnt a fan of unannounced visits. I asked N if that was ok, she said it was, and that K is always at her house anyways. Yes to all this. thats okay. (As opposed to, we work together and you are telling me about your kids wedding shower or whatever.). I finally had the realization a couple of years ago that all of my friends dont necessarily want to hang out with each otherthey dont all like each other as much as I like them/they like meand so maybe some of them are relieved to see me one on one, instead of in a group-forced-interaction situation. What is it about gaming people that makes them like this? On your FAMILY vacations?? Definitely not specifically British; my knowledge is patchy, but I know of no place in either Canada or the States where it is assumed to be broadly okay to interrupt people at work. Be clear about when you plan on arriving and leaving. I dont have guests for the same reason I dont have Facebook- I just cant do that and keep any semblance of mental equilibrium. How about you suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it impossible for him to say no. In general I dont talk about plans with Alice from which Bob is excluded in front of Bob. Some will even have the gall to ask if they can bring groups of their friends mind you, these are people Ive never met before in my life so that I can fucking host a group of strangers on my vacation! My spouse prefers to wait outside so as to offer minimal inconvenience to whoever is doing us the favor of driving. I never knew how long the visit would be. Shes also introverted with a limited social energy budget. I would take a step back with this friend, try not making plans with her or stopping by her office for a while and see what happens. Speaking for myself, personally, a same day text or phone call that says Im going to be in your area, are you free to hang out later for a bit? from a friend is more than fine but an unannounced and unexpected knock on my door, like, Hi, Im already here here to hang out with you! is pretty strange. You may even be fine with being seen as a fifth wheel, if it means you get to go somewhere you really wanted to attend. Pass the ketchup?, Im so happy youre dating that nice [race] person. I think your expectations of either a welcome reception or a non-angry shoot sorry, didnt get your email, can you come back in an hour? are absolutely spot on and that what you did was in no way bad manners. I would tell you upon arrival that when you want me to leave, just say so (blunt person as I am, it might be phrased as the moment Im a bother, sweep me out). This is a more specific but still open ended suggestion that allows them to specify how much time they have to devote to hanging out, and pick a place that is convenient to them. They think if someone hasn't been invited to something they shouldn't try to force the issue. I dont get it a lot, but I did only start hearing that from people after I moved to San Francisco, so maybe it is a regional thing. #711: Is it rude or wrong to invite myself to someones house? Goodbye, next time call a day or two in advance and we can schedule something.. He did the whole I dont mind a mess, I understand! thing, sat himself down, and proceeded to talk about his church for about 20 minutes. It is like the puzzle Geordi wasnt allowed to send the Borg ship. Christine Jones is an editor who likes to write about modern dating trends and dating tips. Maybe in the past they've spent time with these people, but have felt ignored or left out, or like they were quiet and boring. If people want to hang out with you, my experience has been that they will issue an invitation, either generally to the entire group (Were meeting at the bar after kickball, everyone is invited) or specifically to me (Were going to the Pun-Off after kickball. We dont have to call their entire history of the LWs actions being appropriate or not into question. Not only do people knock on the door randomly to see how the house is coming along, but many of them just WALK RIGHT IN! When, or if, is it okay to try to invite yourself to something? Hah. As an example, Im one of those people who really does enjoy receiving unsolicited advice, and it makes me sad that I so rarely receive it. Is this someone Ive invited to my house at one time or another? Offer him an idea or a suggestion on what to do or what you would like to do at his residence. I mind people looking at my mess! From the angle Im looking, her best friend is trying to decrease the closeness or frequency of interactions in this relationship, and the LW hasnt quite gotten that message yet. ), ps. Either way, I am put in the position of doing something I may not want to, or forced into having a difficult or awkward conversation about how or why I dont want to do that thing with friend. Friend: Is that poop in your sink and on the wall? Unfortunately, during the same era, houseguests could stay for months and you couldnt ask them to leave. If Im not specifically invited I assume Im not invited. Dont demand. If she shouts at you? Yes, and it is impolite to place that responsibility and discomfort upon them merely because one isnt very good at picking up on social cues. - JAD Aug 1, 2017 at 14:12 3 "Do take pictures" could be an alternative - JollyJoker Aug 1, 2017 at 14:44 9 And started pointedly talking about being hungry around 7pm. And then people wouldnt call, and theyd say things to me later like, Oh, I didnt hear from you so I thought you didnt want to get together. So frustrating, as is that other Northern California custom of texting someone on the day of an event to say, Are we still getting together at X time? Well, of course we are I agreed, right? 2. *exception for family. Whenever I want to hang out with ANYONE I know I always drop a text beforehand and make sure my wording sends the message that its totally optional on their part to agree to hang or not. I was there to do a hobby that most people arent interested in and that I was going to spend most of my time there doing, and the rest of it resting. And then there was the time we had this conversation: So I was talking to this guy Stephan last night, and he invited me over to a party he is having this evening. by themselves. The group just assumes everyone understands the unwritten open invitation. It certainly doesnt have to be exactly fifty-fifty, nor do I suggest you keep a detailed count of how often she initiates contact versus how often you do, but if youre doing all or almost all of the initiating, I would be suspicious that shes not actually acting like someone whos trying to be friends with you. Do they really need to get out of the car in these conditions because of your preferences? And I wouldnt get to bake! And its also a problem you can fix, without awkwardness or hurt feelings. And articulately. 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